Roger Aronoff, the Executive Director of the Citizens Commission on National Security, recently hosted a discussion on his radio show/podcast with his guest, Sol Wisenberg, a former deputy independent counsel and Fox News contributor. In the 1990s, Wisenberg served under independent counsel Ken Starr during the Whitewater/Lewinsky Investigation of President Bill Clinton. In this interview, they discuss the Clinton impeachment, the ramifications of the Democrats’ current impeachment proceedings, Trump’s conduct, and the importance of the Bill Barr and John Durham investigations into the origins of the efforts by the Intelligence Community and the Department of Justice to spy on and undermine the Trump candidacy and administration.
Here are a few of the insights shared by Wisenberg during the interview:
“Well, nobody’s happy with media analysis I think most of the time, and the media was largely hostile to us [during the Clinton impeachment]. You have to remember Fox News was in its infancy. It did not at all have the kind of power that it has now. So the media was overwhelmingly skeptical of Judge [Ken] Starr. Now, it got much worse after [Monica] Lewinsky. But it was—I thought it was bad at this time, but we weren’t really in the news every single day. When we were, the press usually got it wrong. It was frustrating, but not frustrating to the level it became when the Lewinsky story broke.”
“I mean, sure, they hate Trump, sure they don’t accept—large segments of the Left and the Democratic Party don’t accept the results of the 2016 election. But I think a lot of what is going on is they’re desperate to do anything to remove President Trump before Bill Barr and John Durham, the U.S. attorney from Connecticut, get to the bottom of what happened. I mean, let’s just step back for a minute. This is a presidential election and the incumbent party is using the intelligence services to unquestionably spy on and get dirt on a presidential candidate of the opposition party.”
“The idea—think about this for a minute. You’re talking about a thought crime. The idea that if you do something lawful, if you have a bad motive you can be indicted, to me is preposterous. And yet, I can’t tell you how many legal experts went on camera to say that. And by the way, I think it’s preposterous whether you’re the president or not.”
“There’s absolutely nothing wrong—and they really can’t dirty up Durham, so they’re dirtying up Barr. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the Attorney General of the United States or the president asking a foreign country to cooperate with one of our investigations, right? There’s nothing wrong with that.”
You can listen to the full interview on the CCNS website here: